White on White: The Episodes
Is being called a racist the worst thing that can happen to you? In this episode, Kerry talks with Kathy Khang, author of Raise Your Voice, about how white people can press through the discomfort of racial conversations.
Can a queer, non-binary transgender Latinx public theologian and a yoga-pants-wearing white suburban soccer mom actually get along? In our 8th episode, Kerry and Dr. Robyn Henderson-Espinoza proves it's not only possible, but it leads to fascinating conversation, too! Listen in as they talk about how to fall into relationship with people who are different, and about what a radical inclusiveness and justice-oriented world might actually look like. Other topics covered are theological dominance, the stability of whiteness, and what it means to radically flourish. This is one of Kerry's FAVORITE interviews!
Meanwhile, Kerry and Aisha talk ecological injustice in between our usual antics.
In this episode, Kerry speaks with Reverend Dr. David N. Moore, author of Making America Great Again:Fairy Tale? Horror Story? Dream Come True? The book, and this conversation, delve into the church's complicity in racist systems, and explore connections with abortion and the NRA -- and how it all connects to Les Miserables. Plus, Aisha and Kerry talk about the Starbucks debacle and more.
In this episode, Kerry speaks with Ben Tapper, writer, speaker, social activist. Faith, healing and social justice are the topics that most invigorate Ben, and the topics he most often speaks and writes about. He hopes to encourage, inspire and challenge those who read or listen. Ben is a co-founder of The Hear Me Project, an initiative designed to foster communication between strangers.
In this episode, Kerry talks with Mason Mennenga, a fellow seminary student and the founder of Religionless Church, about an experience they both had with white fragility and how we, as white people, can combat white supremacy and privilege when it's right in front of us. What does that look like? Who's responsible?
In our 4th episode, Kerry speaks with award-winning journalist-turned-activist Nadine Smith about what it really means to be a white ally, confederate statues, and exploring just how close America's racial history really is. Here's a hint: it's as close as living relatives.
Plus, Kerry & Aisha continue their inappropriate banter about multi-tasking with nose rings, working "The Facebook", and more.
In this episode, retired police officer and political candidate Lisa Boeving-Learned talks about the history of racism in policing, how we can help police officers be better, and how to bring humanity back into the dignified work of policing. As a retired officer, Lisa has great compassion for police officers, but she also has insight into how systemic racism infiltrates the profession,
In this episode of White on White, Kerry speaks with Carla Ewert about whiteness, hierarchies, and how white people -- white women specifically -- can work to de-center whiteness, so that whiteness is no longer the "normal" against which everything else is measured. Plus, more irreverence from Kerry and Aisha.
In our first episode, Kerry speaks with Carolyn Helsel, author of Anxious to Talk About It: Helping White Christians Talk Faithfully About Racism. Plus, meet co-host Aisha and listen in as she and Kerry talk about The Race Card, token black friends, and all the uncomfortable things.